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« on: May 01, 2006, 10:30:01 pm »

Hybrid Long-term Test Wrap-up:
2006 Toyota Prius

2006 Toyota PriusAverage fuel consumption for CanadianDriver's Toyota Prius hybrid long-term test car was 22% higher in January than it was in April, "suggesting that the Prius would be more economical in warmer weather," reports Managing Editor and Ottawa resident, Grant Yoxon.  "Driving the Prius involved few, if any, compromises for our family of five adults," he reports.     More...
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 11:35:35 am »

So far I'm unimpressed with Hybrids. Especially the Prius - I mean it uses all the usual low fuel consumption tricks (skinny low resistance tires, low weight body panels, etc) and fails to get better fuel mileage than a 20 year Honda CRX. Plus just wait until the long term maintaince costs start to bite the early owners.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 06:02:59 pm »

So far I'm unimpressed with Hybrids. Especially the Prius - I mean it uses all the usual low fuel consumption tricks (skinny low resistance tires, low weight body panels, etc) and fails to get better fuel mileage than a 20 year Honda CRX. Plus just wait until the long term maintaince costs start to bite the early owners.
One reason the hybrids don't get as good fuel economy is because in order to ahchieve a clean exhaust output, the engine has to burn the fuel more thoroughly which requires more fuel to do.  If the CRX had achieved the same super low emissions of the Hybrids, it's mileage would be drastically lower.  Please keep that in mind when you compare the two,because I at one point made the exact same observation with similar level gripe!
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2006, 02:21:12 am »

not only that, the CRX has none of the goodies hybrids or modern cars for that matter have!
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2006, 08:09:51 am »

Why are CDN journalist's so wrapped up with defending Honda & Toyota (hybrids).  As usual we need to refer to the American's for any real reporting.....here are the Autoweek articles on Pirus vs TDI...

TOYOTA PRIUS
8.3 gallons of regular gas at $2.599
42 mpg vs. EPA highway rating of 51 mpg

Well, it didn’t make its 51-mpg EPA highway estimated, but 42 mpg on a long road trip would please most American drivers. Part of the shortfall was due to the pace we maintained. At a more hybrid-friendly 55 to 65 mph, the dazzling dashboard display showed numbers closer to 50 mpg, but it was also telling us we were averaging 44 to 45 mpg when our tank reading said otherwise. That instant feedback loop, monitoring economy in short increments of time and distance—not to mention letting the driver see exactly where the energy is going to and coming from—is a big part of why Prius drivers are so prone to telling the rest of us, “You have to drive it differently.” We found that isn’t quite true; the Prius responds to the same economy-minded driving techniques experts have been advising for 30 years or more. Steady throttle openings, gentle accelerations, concentrate on maintaining momentum and avoiding abrupt starts and stops, and it rewards you. The difference in the Prius is it offers up immediate gratification of the video-game variety, right there on the dashboard, no waiting to fill the tank and do the math yourself.

However you measure it, the second-generation Prius is much better suited to long road trips than was its forebear. It rides better, has more gumption to carry you over grades without fuel-sucking downshifts or a floored gas pedal, and even its braking performance (influenced by the regeneration feature, which varies according to the state of battery charge) is more even and predictable. It did really well. It just wasn’t the mileage champion.

VOLKSWAGEN JETTA TDI
7.0 gallons of B20 biodiesel at $2.749
49.9 mpg vs. EPA highway rating of 42 mpg

Our fuel station was offering up B20 biodiesel, 20 percent of which comes from vegetable oil, animal fats and other sources, meaning that from an environmentalist’s perspective the German diesel didn’t just beat the Japanese hybrids, it trounced them. Not only that, it had more than half of its 14.5-gallon tank left at the end—it could have made the same trip again without refueling! Our example was pretty much a stripper, absent even the usual VW trip computer, so we had no instant feedback loop on our performance. Maybe if we’d had that, we could have nudged the economy from 49.9 mpg into the 50-mpg range.

As it was, we just drove gently, stayed with the caravan and employed the manual mode on the six-speed automatic transmission when it seemed useful. Spoiled by the Vette, perhaps, we sometimes screwed that up because first gear in the Jetta is so low that pulling away from a light runs you up beyond 3000 rpm rapidly, turning fuel into roar with not much accelerative reward. Most of us ended up slotting it into “D” and leaving it there.

At about 11 seconds to 60 mph, the Jetta’s published road-test numbers are not as good as the Prius’ (around 10 seconds, thanks to massive electric motor torque at 0 rpm), but at highway speeds its 177 lb-ft at 1800 rpm and 100 hp at 4000 rpm feel stronger than the Toyota and smoother than the Honda. The diesel spins harder than the Vette at 80 mph, running at 2500 rpm or so, but still it is a long-legged German car with autobahn-able credentials.

For comfort, quiet and highway handling, our drivers found the TDI had significant advantages over every other car in the test. It would have been our choice, in other words, for an easy daytrip on the interstates, regardless of fuel economy. And we topped the hybrids by driving with just a little attention to fuel economy, not making it an obsession. Maybe this German family sedan was inspired by our mission—we understand VWs make a lot of beer runs in their homeland.

Although we had our qualms before the storm, we think our little road trip shows the technologies are out there to promise massive gains in fuel efficiency in short order, should circumstances warrant it. Imagine a Prius-like hybrid that ran on biodiesel instead of gasoline. We may not be there yet, and adapting diesels to use the cylinder-cutoff technology found in the Jeep and Honda might be a tough task, but look how far we’ve come already.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2006, 12:51:09 pm »

I've been driving a 2004 Prius since March 2004 and have averaged very close to the EPA fuel economy estimate of 4.2 l/100km...in warm weather (I get closer to 4.5 l/100km). In cold weather it is around 5.5 l/100km for a year round average of about 5 l/100km which I'm satisfied with. How many vehicles, hybrid or otherwise, get the EPA estimate?

The best performance was 3.9 l/100km for a tank when I cruised around backroads at no more than 80-90 km/hr in the middle of summer.

I can also confirm that how you drive the car definitely affects fuel economy, as it does for any car. Windy conditions also have a pronounced negative effect.

The "video game" definitely makes you more aware of the mileage you're getting but contrary to another comment, I find it quite accurate. In fact, an irritation is that it isn't used to provide a more reasonable low fuel warning. With the variability of the tank size due to the contracting bladder inside the tank and the wide range of fuel economy, per tank distance can range from 1,000 km down to about 750 km. The warning goes off around 700 km so you can calculate how much distance left in the tank - which I do and it works - but why doesn't the car do it?

Another negative is the very low clearance - be careful over those potholes! Definitely not a car for someone who likes offroading.

Personally I love the car and highly recommend it but you should be fully aware of what you're buying.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2006, 12:53:04 pm »

... HI!!-LO...care to share us more than "close to" maybe some facts......do you LIVE where drive How.....etc...etc..... welcome
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 08:23:00 pm »

who hoo i get the minimum amount that a prius gets! but not 1000 km yet... soon...
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2006, 06:29:33 pm »

well 836kms is my record so far and that was last summer. Hoping to break 900 this summer.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2006, 09:51:23 pm »

Neighbor down the street just traded in her 5 yr old New Beetle for a new Prius - to go with the Lexus RX400h that her husband bought about 4 months ago. A true Hybrid family..
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2006, 04:12:34 am »

Hooray for Toyota's PR department!  The environment ... that's another story.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2006, 07:09:14 am »

.. TOYHYBRITA..!!!!!!!! Huh Roll Eyes Tongue..............
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2006, 04:11:13 pm »

Okay, I'm going to have to rent a Prius for my next long trek and compare.
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