CD Article: 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI

[TG]

-in order to change timing belt on some VAG cars you do have to take the front off, you don't have to take AC system apart though, it just hangs on hoses.
-timing belt failure was common for VW diesels
-you can't use chain on certain engines, at least now. Look at VAG 2,8-3,0-3.2 engines, it's very long.

[D70]

To tpl;
  VW have a history of introducing the more expensive versions first, they did it with the Beetle the Golf followed months after. I'm sure the Rabbit with the diesel will be here within 12 months of the Jetta. Its the USA buyers who shun the hatchbacks in any manufactures line up. Canadians often have to follow our nieghbours buying habits having model lineups which are not necessarily what we would like. There are exceptions We got the Smart Car, but now its going to the USA the diesel is gone.

[Gwido]

I would have preferred an improvement in mileage instead of an improvement in performance.
If the numbers don't change, it should be eligible for the federal government's 1500$ Eco-Auto fuel economy rebate (not 2000$ like mentionned in the article, only the MkIV got that)

[libraman]

Let's see this engine in the new minivan coming out next year. Of course they won't though...makes too much sense.

I have heard they are using the Chrysler gas engines only.

[airbalancer]

My son got a new Jetta TDI in Nov, Special Edition, his snows from Tire Trends should be in today, but since they have cross Canada they may be there on Monday.
His first tank of diesel was I believe 6.2l/100 km
This car is much bigger then his '98 BMW 328
He now has room for the car seats now
He was going to get the new 09 when there was talk of a Feb release date, but decide to get in Nov since Oct was to long to wait
He will be coming home for Xmas
I wonder if he will let me drive it


Also check out http://www.tdiclub.com/ and http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeromain for all your TDI info

[sirAQUAMAN64]

I believe the mileage will increase more over the outgoing '06 Jetta TDI. 44/52mpg isn't superb, but liveable when you think about the vehicle size and flexibility of the powertrain. What really hinders mileage more is not having a urea treatment system... there's cost in the system and refilling the urea/AdBlue, but it does improve fuel economy. Honda's system apparently won't use urea but will maintain the efficiency as if it did.

My old '01 Golf TDI (pre PD) was rated at 50/64mpg. Now that's more like it. And it was achieveable.

I'm thinking the final figure on the '09 will be more like 47/58-60mpg.

Also believe it's still a timing belt, but really couldn't tell you.

AirB, looks good. He snagged a Diesel Edition with leatherette and that snazzy trunk lip spoiler 

[airbalancer]

It is funny if this mileage was for a hybrid everyone would be saying how great it is , for for a diesel it is 

Camry hybrid City:  5.7 L/100 km (50 mpg Imp)(est)
                    Hwy:   5.7 L/100 km (50 mpg Imp)(est)

The the first tank in the Jetta TDI was 6.2 l /100km 45.52 mpg imp in a hilly city not to bad

[ktm525]

A preview of a model that will begin hitting dealers late next summer? This probably means that the diesels won't be availabe in gignificant numbers until this time next year. What are VW dealers going to sell until then? I bet VW salesmen will deny the existence of the upcoming diesel so they can move the gassers.

[Craig]

I visited a VW dealership in Brampton last year, just weeks before the City models were officially unveiled, but well after the news had broke.  I asked about their arrival, and the salesman looked at me like I was crazy (careful).  He insisted that VW was not releasing the Mk4 cars as budget "City" models.  I still don't know if he was simply uninformed or toeing the company line.  However, the conversation was hilarious.  If he was acting, he was very good at it.


The inevitable arrival of more diesels has me thinking we'll buy out our lease and wait for something of a similar or slightly larger size that takes advantage of the new diesel technology.

[JSCC]

A preview of a model that will begin hitting dealers late next summer? This probably means that the diesels won't be availabe in gignificant numbers until this time next year. What are VW dealers going to sell until then? I bet VW salesmen will deny the existence of the upcoming diesel so they can move the gassers.

Huh, what diesel? 
"You be a man, do the right thing, buy gas car now!"

[JSCC]

I visited a VW dealership in Brampton last year, just weeks before the City models were officially unveiled, but well after the news had broke.  I asked about their arrival, and the salesman looked at me like I was crazy (careful).  He insisted that VW was not releasing the Mk4 cars as budget "City" models.  I still don't know if he was simply uninformed or toeing the company line.  However, the conversation was hilarious.  If he was acting, he was very good at it.


The inevitable arrival of more diesels has me thinking we'll buy out our lease and wait for something of a similar or slightly larger size that takes advantage of the new diesel technology.

Definately not us, we had over 10 orders before the cars landed.
Then after the initial alotment was sold out, 3-5 month waiting period.

[airbalancer]

JSCC, WHAT DID YOU GET TO PLACE YOUR DESTROYED CAR??
(yes the caps are on because it has been months and still no answer )

[JSCC]

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<--- Still the same.

I'm in Hong Kong at the moment, so there is no rush until I come back.

[airbalancer]

I thought you would be back by now.
I have a hard time closing the business for 2 weeks, and  you're gone for 2 months

[airbalancer]

the sportwagon looks pretty nice
here is someones car from the UK
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/golf_estate/engines#

[Tim Thomas]

VW's 2.0 TDI does use a "Toothed" timing belt.  Timing belts, because of their light weight and flexibility are easier on the engine components they are designed to power and cause less failures.  

I, probably like you, would opt for a chain rather than a belt on a petrol engine, but not on an efficient diesel engine.  Timing chains are best left to larger (V6 and above) engines and engines made for industrial use, where longevity is more desirable than efficiency.

I recently (Jun 07) terminated a lease with VW in Wiesbaden, Germany.  I had the car for a year and used it to drive from Darmstadt to my workplace in Wiesbaden each day.  I specifically chose a Golf 2.0 TDI, because (it's well known in Europe) VW diesels are bullet proof and extremely efficient.

I always drove between 160 and 180KPH (100-110MPH) and never had (or heard of) a mechanical failure.  I did have two problems with the sunroof (electrical) and one with the passenger outside mirror heater (electrical).  Both were covered by warranty.  

[2hondas]

VW's 2.0 TDI does use a "Toothed" timing belt.  Timing belts, because of their light weight and flexibility are easier on the engine components they are designed to power and cause less failures. 

I, probably like you, would opt for a chain rather than a belt on a petrol engine, but not on an efficient diesel engine.  Timing chains are best left to larger (V6 and above) engines and engines made for industrial use, where longevity is more desirable than efficiency.

I recently (Jun 07) terminated a lease with VW in Wiesbaden, Germany.  I had the car for a year and used it to drive from Darmstadt to my workplace in Wiesbaden each day.  I specifically chose a Golf 2.0 TDI, because (it's well known in Europe) VW diesels are bullet proof and extremely efficient.

I always drove between 160 and 180KPH (100-110MPH) and never had (or heard of) a mechanical failure.  I did have two problems with the sunroof (electrical) and one with the passenger outside mirror heater (electrical).  Both were covered by warranty.   

Thanks for your information! 

I find it kinda funny that VW still has problems with the electricals.

[johngenx]

VW's 2.0 TDI does use a "Toothed" timing belt.  Timing belts, because of their light weight and flexibility are easier on the engine components they are designed to power and cause less failures. 

There are a lot of Mercedes drivers with 500K or more on both gas and diesel engines that would disagree.  Mercedes has never used a timing belt.

(right now we have a 190E 2.6 in the family with over 510K and the engine has never been opened, and have had other models showing mileage over 400K with similar results.)

[articsteve]

VW's 2.0 TDI does use a "Toothed" timing belt.  Timing belts, because of their light weight and flexibility are easier on the engine components they are designed to power and cause less failures.

That's what the makers of all timing belts said as an excuse.  Who makes one of the most reliable small engines today?  HONDA.  What drives the cams on a 1.8 HONDA?  A super light weight chain design.

What are the benefits?  No more self lubricating bearing rollers that must be replaced.

Rubber band driven motors are 20th century old technology.  They are an unwanted maintenance headache.  I am so sick of used cars with timing belts.  Major    for VW recirculating old technology.

Just wait for the Honda and Toyota 4 cylinder chain run diesels.  Change the oil and forget about them. 

[Greg B.]

What drives the cams on a 1.8 HONDA?  A super light weight chain design.

So I guess all those garages around here with signs advertising "Hoonda Timing Belt Change - $169.00" are defrauding the hapless Honda owners?